Does Absolute Power Corrupt Absolutely?
85Power Tends To Corrupt and Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely - Philosophy Dispelled!
Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely....
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Absolute power corrupts absolutely is an ideology, that was put forth many generations ago and I find myself asking myself, is that actually true? Someone, anyone, who achieves absolute power will be corrupted absolutely, all the way down to their inner core of being. Does absolute power corrupt absolutely?
This hub was inspired by another Hub Writer and Friend, Shadebreath. You might know him, as one of Hubpages prolific comics, funny men and solid student of philosophy. He is presently on his Shameless Self Promotion and promoting his novel via blogs. To give you an idea of how I came across this in conversation with Shadebreath, you can see his comment below.
Shadesbreath quote "I love this concept!!! I hope you pull it off. How are you going to navigate the "absolute power corrupts absolutely" thing though? I'm not saying you can't, but humanity is such a feeble animal... and, if you can do what you aspire to, influence becomes power and wealth at some point. You will find yourself suddenly in a place that few have experienced, and that many of those who have discovered that the new perspective changed things.
Nice work for our contest too... very, very deep to pull off in that span of time. I'm totally impressed. " This comment was left, because I had just taken part in a 30 minute challenge and the Hub "How Greed Can Lead To Selfless Purpose" was written.
Power Tends To Corrupt Philosophy!
Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely?
This has weighed on my mind, ever since Shadesbreath said that statement. It was the first time I had ever heard the statement. I had read somewhere before, about "absolute power" corrupting absolutely, but I find myself hard pressed to apply it to myself. Thus, being corrupted. Some will say I am delusional, simply because I do not know for certain, what I would do IF I had absolute power. I am of no ambition for power.
I guess, absolute power is something that must be recognized, before it could be actually seen. Kinda like one's own ego. Absolute power would also have to be defined, down to a specific detail. So, what is "absolute power"? For the sake of arguing, define it as "being able to do anything without question". The "without question", will avoid consequence or accountability. Meaning, you could freely commit a crime and be untouchable. This would ultimately define "absolute power".
Absolute Power Corrupts?
Absolute power corrupts? I find that to be quite negative. If absolute power corrupts, then every individual on the planet is corrupted. Why? Because, they have absolute power over their own existence, which is required living. Unless you commit suicide and end your life. You must have absolute power and control over yourself. You must be able to consciously focus thoughts, just to function properly each and every day. Some are heavily medicated and some are not.
Corruption is bad and/or considered evil. Any level of corruption will present a danger to someone else. To be corrupted? Completely? Would be unadulterated evil. Which presents a danger to the individual, but also to the survival of the human species and that would be a problem. Which would be dealt with by whatever means necessary, so as to protect and ensure, the survival of the human species.
How Good Do You Know Self?
The above question, I guess comes down to determining, how you figure "self"? As in meaning. Do you completely understand your potential and capabilities? Are you aware that you can be your biggest obstacle? Are you honest enough to admit ignorance, even when it goes against something you believe?
To know self, is to demonstrate clear thoughts, foresight and be able to communicate, all of it to others, so they can understand how to do it. It is understood that living life requires some sort of faith. For the simple fact that you must have faith in yourself, before you can do anything successfully. This also means that you have to believe in yourself as well. The faith you have about yourself is in the department of decision making. You will have faith in your ability to make decisions, because you will have learned the knowledge required for understanding. How you learned it? Well, I will leave you to think about it. Why? Because, it is something you have to discover about yourself and cannot be told or taught. Why cannot it be told or taught? Because, it's an experience to be had. Finding the answer on your own requires a conscious mind. A Conscious Mind is always open-minded, it's able to discern truth when recognized or seen.
Corruption...
Corruption can be recognized easily by a Conscious Mind. The boundary line where corruption starts can be seen. It's an obstacle, only because it's based on choice. Any action is a choice. Even if you take no action, it is still taking action and a choice. You either choose to interact with others or you do not. You choose to be selective about who you interact with? Again, it's a choice.
All actions are based on morals. So, actions are either good or bad. This is part of living in a duality based world. Any action that harms other people is deemed bad. Any action that benefits other people is deemed good. Some people open a gray area, deeming actions less damaging, as if it matters because the damage comes in two parts. The gray area people play with is about lying. They say it is okay to lie to someone who is dying. However, lying is lying.
Corruption begins in the smallest form. You will be willing to do this, for that reason, will become what you will continue to do, even with other things in your life. It will spread from one thing and spill over into other areas. Next thing you know, you've been corrupted in so many aspects of your life, you'll begin to wonder who you are? To prevent corruption, is to be completely honest with yourself about being honest with yourself. You must understand that morals are absolutes and in doing so, you can gain the foresight to build your future. A Good deed can be seen by others, just as a Bad deed can be seen by consequences of what happens.
Power and Wealth Derived From Influence?
Shadesbreath said, in the comment above "influence becomes power and wealth at some point". Now, power and wealth derived from influence is something I hadn't thought about, with regards to this hub. However, having influence only matters and depends on how you influence others. I mean, good or bad. Living in duality always has two perspectives. You have truth or lie. If you lie to people, so as to influence them to do something and they follow-thru as you influenced them, then you have obtained power.
Power is usually and generally accompanied by wealth. The two go together, just like your left and right hand. I can understand what Shadesbreath said, but I am still unsure of why he said it to begin with. It might help if you read the other hub? But, I am not exactly sure of that either.
To give you a breakdown of the other hub- How Greed Can Lead To Selfless Purpose and hopefully, you'll grasp why he said it? The hub talks about "greed" and how the world we live in is duality. Since there is two perspectives and "greed" is only one word, then it boils down to "positive" and "negative". People will tell you greed is bad, but that actually depends on the character of the person. Greed can be used to obtain positive results, not only for the person, but for others as well. Achieving power can only be done through influence.
Thank you for your time.
Raymond Choiniere II - Cagsil Services Founder
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Nothing is absolute!
In reality everything has its constraints which makes everything relative. Nature has no gods and knows no good or bad. These are individual human perspectives based on ones undestanding of self-interest.
Living in the real world provides every living thing with some powers. They can and will never be absolute.
Some societies, organizations and individuals will be seen to be more corrupt than others. The spirit of graeter equality and social justice favours less corruption than a predatory capitalist mentality!
Your hub certainly gives one something to ponder. When I read absolute power corrupts I immediately thought of politicians, but what about a famous movie or sport star that is rich and influential, are they necessarily corrupt?
Also, on an individual level I have met some people that are very influential in a particular setting who aren't rich or even powerful; but more influential or inspirational as in teaching for an example. I agree that an individual making choices has absolute power, good or evil.
Thanks for a great read and I'll be thinking about this article some more.
Great hub full of wisdom and awareness as usual Cags!
I especially like, “Corruption can be recognized easily by a Conscious Mind.” Well said! Unfortunately, individuals lose their conscious mind when they begin to allow “ego” to step in and make pertinent decisions.
This is what happens within large businesses or for that matter any individual that people have deemed to be in a powerful position. Man or woman’s ego takes over and tells that individual they can do anything to anyone and get away with it because they have “made it” and are bigger and better than the competition. “Ego” convinces them they have “absolute power;” but, this is only deception of reality because for every positive or negative action there is an equal and greater reaction that is catapulted by one’s conscious or unconscious decisions. Namaste’
Hi Cagsil,
You’ve hit upon another interesting topic. Nice going.
To discuss “absolute power” without considering the full quotation is to exclude most its impact. “Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad man,” was lifted from a letter written by Lord Action in 1887. Having power may at times lead to corruption. Having absolute power makes corruption inevitable. Thanks for an interesting read. Q.
You may be right, Cagsil. The person about whom you speak may indeed exist, somewhere. Good hub. Q.
Cagsil, As I age I'm afraid that I have come to believe that yes, absolute power corrupts . And in you're words ,"than every individual on earth has to be " and in truth almost all people are, Labor unions, public servants , politics , religious leaders , attorneys, judges ......Yes , Im afraid it does my friend. However , every once in awhile you see an individual who isn't corrupted. most of the greatest people on earththough , have no power other than that of their choice of life style.! Great hub for thought. You are good at that that.:-}
Hiya Cags. Glad to see you are still wrestling with this topic.
I think Quilligrapher did some service pointing out that the point of the "absolute power corrupts" thing is the "absolute" part. American Romance made a good observation in the comments up there about the McDonalds styrofoam guy being a nice guy despite being rich. Obviously that dude has power. But he does not have absolute power. He surely pays taxes somewhere, and if he breaks laws he will be punished. However, he may work some gray areas of tax law, and he may have the ability to skirt punishment for offenses with fancy lawyers he can afford if it comes up (for himself or for his family). Etc. With power comes the opportunity for rule bending. However, that is not absolute power.
Absolute power means you do what you want. Period. Nobody can stop you. With that level of power, the only ramifications are the impact your actions have on your conscience and your physical well being (injury or death). At that point, you can decide what you can live with and what you can't. Additionally, you have a "lofty perch" upon which to sit and understand the human condition. Your access is so vast your perspective changes. You can make decisions that impact millions, at which point, you are doing "right" by some and "wrong" by others and, well, opposition rises, at which point you have enemies. This forces you to either compromise and accommodate or not. You might want to compromise on things morally, but that means you can't make anyone happy; you'll have two sets of enemies, or at least some happy folks in the "center" and enemies from the traditional right and left wings. Why would you do that when you have absolute power. Why would you make enemies, when you can eliminate them. You wouldn't (not after a few attempts on your life, some murders, genocide something).
So, you get to pick outcomes. BAM, you are corrupted. What constitutes "corruption" is not how you see yourself (although it may include that), but how others see you, some call you benevolent dictator, others villainous tyrant. You will be corrupt in the eyes of millions, even billions, whether you think you are or not. In fact, you will probably be certain you are not corrupt, because from your perspective (which no other person shares, and therefore, how can they understand the way you do) you know you are doing the right thing. If you are doing anything other than what you know is the right thing, then you are corrupt by your own definition.
See how that works? (At least, as I see it and can rattle it off quickly).
No doubt a hub needs to be created regarding this subject but I'll just present some highlights as to how "absolute power has already been demonstrated a number of times of being corrupt." That is not to say I'm putting a blanket statement down that every time "absolute power is utilized that it corrupts all the time."
I take it most of us can remember King Herod.
King Herod
4 BCE– Young disciples smashed the golden eagle over the main entrance of the Temple of Jerusalem after the Pharisee teachers claimed it was an idolatrous Roman symbol. Herod arrested them, brought them to court, and sentenced them. Augustus approved the death penalty for Antipater. Herod then executed his son, and again changed his will
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_the_Great
This king like other kings was so afraid of losing his position and power with the emergence of Jesus that in his quest to kill baby Jesus he heartlessly and shamelessly killed a number of innocent babies.
How about Moses against Pharaoh? The idea that Pharaoh would loose to Moses and or God sent him chasing after the slaves and Moses only to have a significant amount of his army killed in an attempt to demonstrate his power.
The ultimate "absolute power corrupts absolutely" is when placed in a high position the biblical story of Lucifer not satisfied with his wealth and fame he decided to go to war in an effort to gain absolute power which he would take by force from God.
Quilligrapher's was a needed comment on the origin & author who in broad-strokes probably meant it to apply to someone like Stalin. Your one of the brightest minds on this site and its a neural pathway creating read contemplating your breakdown on this quote. One question though; you place a good deal of emphasis on the conscious mind in your conclusions and rightly so; what, if any, role do you see for say, Jung's collective unconscious in this? Thank you Cagsil for writing this and any reply you may give.
Cagsil, But then again , perhaps groups of people are only made up from and reflect the individuals within them? Collectively reflecting the all corrupable individual ! America today and all of it's issues are perhaps an indivually corruped cover-up- conspiracy? You are corrupt and so am I ? Greed , graft , unacountable acts of selfishness creating all these problems. Show me an uncorrupt lawyer , political "leader" , cop , minister or priest . Corruption is a personality flaw with each of us! I'm afraid . Great hub!
Here's one example of what was meant. If the sub-conscious mind is a repository for all human experience and one takes your statement "Corruption can be recognized easily by a Conscious Mind" would it stand to reason that the collective unconscious is where the 'Conscious Mind' though unaware, might initially draw its knowledge for said statement to begin with? I only know of Jung's theories in passing and am not trying to wave a flag over anything I say. I merely thought it might be interesting to see if you
thought there could be any co-relation. On reflection, perhaps it was a pompous and stupid question.
Superb reply Cagsil, and I agree with your breakdown on the question. That was a poor day for me and I do thank you for taking the time with this one. :)
Cagsil,
Perhaps the following information will shed a bit more light on understanding the meaning of powering corrupting:
Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely
Meaning
Literal meaning.
Origin
This arose as a quotation by John Emerich Edward Dalberg Acton, first Baron Acton (1834–1902). The historian and moralist, who was otherwise known simply as Lord Acton, expressed this opinion in a letter to Bishop Mandell Creighton in 1887:
"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."
Another English politician with no shortage of names - William Pitt, the Elder, The Earl of Chatham and British Prime Minister from 1766 to 1778, is sometimes wrongly attributed as the source. He did say something similar, in a speech to the UK House of Lords in 1770:
"Unlimited power is apt to corrupt the minds of those who possess it"
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/absolute-power-
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POWER: The ability to make our fellow humans squirm, sweat and stammer on command. Often regarded as an aphrodisiac; actually a potent laxative that, whenever ingested by people in high places, causes everyone below to run for cover.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Power
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Power Corrupts
by Ben Moreell, August 1997
When a person gains power over other persons — the political power to force other persons to do his bidding when they do not believe it right to do so — it seems inevitable that a moral weakness develops in the person who exercises that power. It may take time for this weakness to become visible. In fact, its full extent is frequently left to the historians to record, but we eventually learn of it. It was Lord Acton, the British historian, who said: "All power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely."
Please do not misunderstand me. These persons who are corrupted by the process of ruling over their fellow men are not innately evil. They begin as honest men. Their motives for wanting to direct the actions of others may be purely patriotic and altruistic. Indeed, they may wish only "to do good for the people." But, apparently, the only way they can think of to do this "good" is to impose more restrictive laws.
I agree with what has been said here.
The original statement by Lord Acton was made some 4-6 generations ago depending on whether a generation is 20 or 30 years.
He said, "All power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely."
I like his word "tends" in this sentence. He also said, "Great men are almost always bad men." He uses the words "almost always."
I like what you said about the fact that we have absolute power over our own existence. I believe that entirely. Also, I like what you said about knowing yourself. That is so critical.
There are many examples in our history of people having some form of extreme power and perhaps abusing it in some form. Take Alexander the Great or Genghis Khan. They each wielded a great amount of power and a lot of people died because of it.
I remember seeing a 1930's movie about absolute power. Some parts of the film were a bit quirky, but the premise was interesting. The gods bestowed upon one simple man the power of creation. That one man used that power for some selfish purposes, but then started getting more involved with the affairs of humanity when he saw things being handled poorly. Each of his attempts to "fix" things resulted in more problems, largely because he didn't fully understand the problems he was attempting to fix. In the end, he ordered the world to stop, because he had had enough of the craziness. He didn't realize this would result in everything on the world spinning off into space because of inertia. His last wish was to put it all back the way it was before the power came his way.
Most of the problem, as I see it, is in the essence of ego. You like definitions? So do I. For me, ego is the sense of the need to be right (and sometimes to have others be wrong). Ego is a sense of entitlement and of self-importance. Ego is the need to appear worthy in the eyes of others. Ego covers a wide range of dichotomies -- good-bad, right-wrong, generous-selfish, wisdom-stupidity, compassion-indifference, victim-perpetrator and many others.
Ego presents itself when it does good deeds in public so that others are impressed. Ego is subdued or even eliminated when good deeds are done anonymously. Ego rears its ugly head when it bullies others and abuses them, because "I'm right, and you're not!" Ego presents itself when the suicide victim takes their own life -- this is full of self-importance. Ego is subdued when the hero risks himself for his friends or fellow man.
The antidote for ego is humility. With such humility, all manner of things can be learned. With hubris, one might approach a subject having already judged it, and thus unable to learn anything.
These are some of the dynamics behind any corruption from power. Power need not corrupt, and I agree -- self-awareness is a key to this.
I'll check it out. Thanks!
Hmm, interesting points to ponder. My husband was always telling our children...it didn't matter how much good a person did, one bad deed would wipe the slate. Those are the things people remembered...
Great and thought provoking hub! Thanks!
To me there is only one absolute power and He allows corruption from freedom to all (for now) but aside from that and coming from that, it would depend on the person. Power usually does corrupt but we have some good examples where it does not so it would have to be an open question forever I think...it all depends on the person, not the power. In a word, power that does not corrupt is in Love.
I think so.
I can be proven (historically)
This is amongst the Best Hubs I have ever read, and reminds me of some impressive teachings I have had in my school life. Very few people ever truly understand the true nature of power and absolute power. Character has a lot to do with it, on all sides.
And thankfully you managed to leave religion out of it and keep to the main subject. I am very impressed, Raymond. I will certainly vote this up. Cheers! :)
Hello,
This was a very interesting and thought provoking hub. My husband has used this quote before, normally when discussing people in history or politics who exploited or killed people to get their own way, in extreme situations. I think it has much to do with large egos, but is certainly worth more pondering.
To Cagsil: You have presented a thought provoking and excellent premise. Power is neutral alone. Whether or not absolute power corrupts is only dependent upon how evolved a person is when he/she obtains power. People who have a low consciousness tend to believe that they are the alpha and the omega and will tend to use power in an egregious manner. While people who are highly evolved will use power for the betterment of humankind. A case in point, Adolf Hitler had a low and satanic consciousness and he used power to destroy humankind while Franklin Roosevelt was a highly evolved person- he used power to make America more properous by instituting humanistic social programs. Another sterling example of the positive use of power is Oprah Winfrey, she has risen from impoverished beginning to a billionaire media mogul. She is using her power for the betterment of humanity e.g. charitable contributions and instituting academies.
Excellent hub. One single word can make a world of difference.Words are very powerful.I guess people interpret words differently. Power+honesty+kind hearted+generous+sharing+caring+friendly+philanthropic+ many + points would be the best. Am sure there are a few people out there who fit this description in this world. Have to keep looking. Tough finding one. We will keep looking till time permits. Great hub, once again.Voted up.
Interesting Hub - I've given this a lot of thought myself over the years. Personally I like what Sri Chinomy said - "When the Power of Love replaces the Love Of Power - man will have a new name: GOD"


























American Romance Level 7 Commenter 12 months ago
Jon Huntsman is a super wealthy man that invented the styrofoam that McDonalds uses in their cups! He owns oil plants all over the country! He gives millions to charities, churches and hospitals! Loves his family and his country! This man is a wonderful and powerful man! many more just like him!